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How come the numbers are out of sequence?



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The Controversy

SodaHead has a story about the two long-form Birth Certificates for the Nordyke twins, provided to Mrs. Nordyke by Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu.

The Certificate number is systematically formed from this sequence as follows:

It should start in the numbers 151, which is federal code for Hawaii's birth certificates, a dash, then the year of birth, followed by the birth order number.

The Nordyke twins were assigned the following birth certificate numbers to their certificates: ( 151 61 10637 ) and ( 151 61 10638 ).

As can be see, the birth order is in sequence according to the time of birth.  One Twin was born shortly after the other, resulting in the two birth order numbers sequentially.

Obama was born before both of the Nordyke twins (the day before), yet his birth cerificate number is ( 151 - 61 - 10641 ) -- 3 births later ( 10638 + 3 = 10641 ).  Going by that number, Obama would have been born AFTER the Nordyke twins. set out to prove the critics wrong by saying their staff evaluated Obama's Certificate of Live Birth (short-form) first-hand and took pictures.  If you view this image (from, you'll now see the certificate number is no longer blacked out.  It was always blacked out when posted on the Web, for whatever reason.  The new version (apart from the first one posted on DailyKoS and Fight The Smears) now had fold lines.  It also contained a Seal (latest revision), whereas the first version did not.

The three issues above were a major concern of critics at the time back when the controversy was in the early stages.

There is no doubt in my mind that the Certification of Live Birth is a forgery based on all the glaring research and the fact that you can create a certification in 5 minutes that looks identical to Obama's certification.

So, in my opinion, I believe researched (or whoever they were/are working for/with) how certificate numbers were constructed and made the necessary adjustments, but was it the correct adjustment on the latest version of the forged cetificate (there were 3 versions of the same forgery)?

In order to get more insight to this, I set out on how I would derive a certificate number for Obama's Certificate of Live Birth.

First, i'd search for a Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth to see what a number looked like. I did this, and found one right away:

(Obama's first verson had no Seal as this one above. He still doesn't have a version with the stamped signature showing thru as this one does. Notice too, this one has the crease lines - Obama's first two versions did not)

Notice the "birth order" number here is 10259. It would have to mean that 379 births (10638 - 10259 = 379) occured between May of 1930 to that of August 1961. From that we can conclude an average of 12 births per year (379 / (1961 - 1930) = 12.22).

From an average of 12 births per year, we can conclude an average of 1 birth per month (on average). With the Twins, Obama and the 3 between (according to birth order numbers above), we would have 5 births in one month! If you take away one Twin, then you have 4 in one month - still 3X the computed average, which is possible because the 1 per month is only a "flat average".

What is the possibility that Obama found a Certificate of Live Birth from 1961 (or his team - Rockefeller, Soros etc.) and "guessed" at a number in close proximity before doing the 3rd and final Factcheck version of the certificate?

I'd say the possibility is quite high considering the order number is clearly out of sequence. I do know, that early in the contraversey, someone pulled out their 1961 long-form birth certificate from Hawaii and put it on the Web. If someone was searching around that time, they could have found that number and went from there.

If anyone out there was born in 1961 - have your long or short-form with the certificate number, let's see it? It's possible that the next number in sequence could be for the following month (or even the one after that) according to the computed birth averages above.

Based on this analysis, it seems to raise even a bit of more suspicion for me.  If Obama's birth order number would have been before the Twins (as he was born before them! according to the dates), then i'd be less suspicious, but this out-of sequence also resembles the potential Selective Service forgery as well. If you've been following that, it too is what appears to be a blatent forgery. It too has the numbers somewhere in the ballpark, but doesn't match up correctly.
Somethin' Ain't Right
"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen.  I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago."

At the time of Obama's birth in 1961, parents could rather easily get a Hawaiian birth certificate for a baby who wasn't born in Hawaii.


1.  Aug. 4, 1961 -- Obama supposedly born in Hawaii in Kapiolani hospital.

2.  Aug. 5, 1961 -- Nordyke twins born in Hawaii in same Kapiolani hospital.  Copies of long form birth certificates are on internet.

3.  Aug. 8, 1961 -- Obama's birth certificate is filed with Hawaii vital statistics, if we are to believe what we see on Obama's short form birth certificate that we see all over the internet.

4.  Aug. 11, 1961 -- Nordyke twins birth certificate filed with Hawaii vital statistics.

5.  10641 -- Obama number on short form birth certificate that we see all over the internet.

6.  10638 -- Nordyke twin number on top of long form birth certificate.

7.  10637 -- Nordyke twin number on top of long form birth certificate we see on internet.

8.  Huh?  What is going here that does NOT smell right?  Why does Obama's certificate have a HIGHER number than the Nordyke twins' certificates, when the Obama certificate was filed 3 days EARLIER:  Aug. 8 vs. Aug. 11.  

9.  So, if Obama's birth certificate was filed on Aug. 8, then it should have a LOWER filing number than the Nordyke twins' birth certificates that were filed on Aug. 11.

12.  But as we can see above, Obama's birth certificate received a HIGHER number---10641---than the Nordyke twins---10637 and 10638.

13.  Something does not smell right concerning why Obama's number is greater than the Nordyke twins.

14.  I wish that the Nordyke twins would demand that Hawaii officials explain why they received LOWER numbers than Obama.  They obviously have so-called "standing" to ask questions about their own Hawaii birth certificates.


22 posted on Sunday, January 31, 2010 4:49:20 AM by john mirse
13 Babies
Jerome Corsi says that a search of Hawaii newspapers indicates 13 babies were born in Hawaii on Aug. 4, 1961, and 22 on Aug. 5, 1961, suggesting Obama's birth certificate number should be about 30 to 50 digits lower that the Nordyke twins' numbers.  Since the Hawaii DOH will not allow an open inspection of the August 1961 birth records, it is impossible to know how many birth certificates the registrar general filed and numbered between Aug. 8 and Aug. 11, 1961.
The Dead Infant And The Birth Certificate
Jerome Corsi says amid questions about the authenticity of Obama's posted birth records raised by the registration number, a researcher has discovered a possible explanation.

A girl born the same day as Obama who died a day later could be the source of Obama's birth certificate registration number.

The find is significant because of questions about the plausibility of the registration number indicated on the images of short-form and long-form birth certificates for Obama posted on the Internet.

As WorldNetDaily reported, the numbers on the published Hawaii birth certificates of twins Susan and Gretchen Nordyke are lower than the number given Obama, even though the Obama's birth certificate was accepted by the registrar general and stamped with a certificate number three days earlier.  Further, the man who was Hawaii's registrar general at the time Obama was born confirmed birth certificates were numbered immediately upon acceptance by the registrar general.

The researcher found documentation for Virginia Sunahara's birth on the morning of Aug. 4, 1961, at Wahiawa General Hospital in Wahiawa, Oahu.  She was the daughter of Hawaii-born Tomio Sunahara, a postal clerk of Japanese ancestry who fought for the U.S. in World War II, and his wife, Clara.  The researchers reported that newly born Virginia Sunahara was transferred to a Honolulu hospital from Wahiawa General Hospital because she was having trouble breathing.  The Honolulu hospitals were considered to have better equipment to deal with neonatal birth complications.

Virginia Sunahara's vital records have been located in the Hawaii birth and death records, as shown here:
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A death announcement for the girl, under the name of her father, Tomio Sunahara, appeared in the Honolulu Star Advertiser on Aug. 8, 1961, and in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin on Aug. 14, 1961.

Oddly, no birth announcement appeared for Virginia Sunahara in either Honolulu newspaper.

If Obama's birth records were forged, as evidence indicates, it is possible that the forger(s) used Virginia Sunahara's birth certificate number, knowing the girl was long dead and the family was unlikely to know or complain?

So, we have records for Virginia Sunahara, but no birth announcement.  We have no records for Obama, but we do have a birth announcement.  Did Virginia Sunahara's birth announcement provide a template for Obama's as well?  Hmmmm!
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